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		<title>Comment on Question of the Day  &#8211; Wednesday by Parker and Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parker and Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Flaherty Awards:

Most unlikely sweetheart: Pedro Costa

Seminar scapegoat: Allan Sekula

Most racist comment: &quot;Jane Austen voiceover&quot;

Most likely to develop a multiple personality disorder: Alison Kobayashi

Best DJ: Sherae Rimpsey

Most consistently, awesomely snarky: The Russians

Person most often prompted to stand up and speak up: Maya Han Weimer

Most supportive of scared-shitless youngsters: Linda Lilienfeld

Most all-encompassing, thorough comments: Patti Zimmermann

Character with most awesomely disgusting cough: Vanda

Most priveledged white woman filmmaker: Laura Waddington

Hippest progammer: Chi-hui Yang

Our Flaherty experience is hard to categorize because we came in not knowing what to expect and found ourselves changed forever.

By the way, the lyrics to the White Girl Migration Rap are as follows:

Migration... In your face... In your nation... Migration
I&#039;m just a priveledged white girl in your culture, I&#039;m like a vulture
Suppressing your voice, it&#039;s a choice
If you&#039;re offended by my rappin&#039;
I&#039;ll get ya snappin&#039; with my Jane Austen voice ovah.
All ovah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Flaherty Awards:</p>
<p>Most unlikely sweetheart: Pedro Costa</p>
<p>Seminar scapegoat: Allan Sekula</p>
<p>Most racist comment: &#8220;Jane Austen voiceover&#8221;</p>
<p>Most likely to develop a multiple personality disorder: Alison Kobayashi</p>
<p>Best DJ: Sherae Rimpsey</p>
<p>Most consistently, awesomely snarky: The Russians</p>
<p>Person most often prompted to stand up and speak up: Maya Han Weimer</p>
<p>Most supportive of scared-shitless youngsters: Linda Lilienfeld</p>
<p>Most all-encompassing, thorough comments: Patti Zimmermann</p>
<p>Character with most awesomely disgusting cough: Vanda</p>
<p>Most priveledged white woman filmmaker: Laura Waddington</p>
<p>Hippest progammer: Chi-hui Yang</p>
<p>Our Flaherty experience is hard to categorize because we came in not knowing what to expect and found ourselves changed forever.</p>
<p>By the way, the lyrics to the White Girl Migration Rap are as follows:</p>
<p>Migration&#8230; In your face&#8230; In your nation&#8230; Migration<br />
I&#8217;m just a priveledged white girl in your culture, I&#8217;m like a vulture<br />
Suppressing your voice, it&#8217;s a choice<br />
If you&#8217;re offended by my rappin&#8217;<br />
I&#8217;ll get ya snappin&#8217; with my Jane Austen voice ovah.<br />
All ovah.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on the Flaherty Seminar by Courtney Egan</title>
		<link>http://flaherty08.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/general-comments/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In Vanda’s Room&quot; resonated with me because of the current situation in my hometown, where public housing is currently being demolished. In the film, I found the parallel destruction – that of the buildings and that of the inhabitants - devastating, yet the film still conveyed a dignity about how life is lived, drug use and all.  I think about how residents of public housing where I live formed complex social networks and support systems for several generations there, and those systems dissolve with demolition.  This is somewhat hinted at &quot;in Vanda&#039;s Room&quot; by the family&#039;s produce business and Vanda&#039;s daily rounds. 

For me this film brings up the issue of social responsibility and change, a topic referred to a few times but not fully addressed.  Do documentary producers want to affect change? Is it enough to simply “leave a document,” probably to be archived in a collection,  as in Laura Waddington’s “Border,” or in Alan Sekula’s “A Film For Laos”?  There are many different kinds of practices that involve documentary tendencies, as Dan Streible pointed out, and some are more a part of the art world than the world of filmmaking. Laura’s artistic honesty that she spoke about follows a specific set of “rules,” her own rules, just as Pedro Costa developed his own approach which he felt was artistically honest, and Renee’s personal guidelines probably vary greatly but likewise reflect what she considers an honest approach. I think we just started figure out how to talk about these varying types of artistic honesty on Thursday.  How does artistic honesty relate to social responsibility? And do some people think artistic honesty is mumbo jumbo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In Vanda’s Room&#8221; resonated with me because of the current situation in my hometown, where public housing is currently being demolished. In the film, I found the parallel destruction – that of the buildings and that of the inhabitants &#8211; devastating, yet the film still conveyed a dignity about how life is lived, drug use and all.  I think about how residents of public housing where I live formed complex social networks and support systems for several generations there, and those systems dissolve with demolition.  This is somewhat hinted at &#8220;in Vanda&#8217;s Room&#8221; by the family&#8217;s produce business and Vanda&#8217;s daily rounds. </p>
<p>For me this film brings up the issue of social responsibility and change, a topic referred to a few times but not fully addressed.  Do documentary producers want to affect change? Is it enough to simply “leave a document,” probably to be archived in a collection,  as in Laura Waddington’s “Border,” or in Alan Sekula’s “A Film For Laos”?  There are many different kinds of practices that involve documentary tendencies, as Dan Streible pointed out, and some are more a part of the art world than the world of filmmaking. Laura’s artistic honesty that she spoke about follows a specific set of “rules,” her own rules, just as Pedro Costa developed his own approach which he felt was artistically honest, and Renee’s personal guidelines probably vary greatly but likewise reflect what she considers an honest approach. I think we just started figure out how to talk about these varying types of artistic honesty on Thursday.  How does artistic honesty relate to social responsibility? And do some people think artistic honesty is mumbo jumbo?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on the Flaherty Seminar by anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to be honest and say  that I am very disappointed with this year&#039;s film program.  Only about 20% of the films engaged me with stimulating content and form.  The other 80% I found to be extremely boring, tedious, overly theoretical and abstract, impersonal and poorly produced (bad camera work and editing).  I would like to see Flaherty&#039;s program return to their approach of the 1980s (when I first attended) when they screened the very best of social issue and politically engaged documentaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to be honest and say  that I am very disappointed with this year&#8217;s film program.  Only about 20% of the films engaged me with stimulating content and form.  The other 80% I found to be extremely boring, tedious, overly theoretical and abstract, impersonal and poorly produced (bad camera work and editing).  I would like to see Flaherty&#8217;s program return to their approach of the 1980s (when I first attended) when they screened the very best of social issue and politically engaged documentaries.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Question of the Day  &#8211; Wednesday by caitlin manning</title>
		<link>http://flaherty08.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/question-of-the-day-wednesday/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>caitlin manning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The film on sugar was very beautiful and fit well into the topic of migration (of goods and money): the representation of the global sugar traffic, the contrast between Europe and Nigeria. In the former: the huge precise machines, the gleaming, workerless factories, and the pristine, straight-edged sugar blocks, compared to the messiness, the disorder, the teeming vitality of the streets and the “imperfect” sugar blocks produced in Nigeria. To me the most stunning shot was the scene in the sugar packing factory where young men stacked bags of sugar as they came off a conveyor.  After a while, the “system” underlying the apparent chaos became apparent, with the men working as a group, taking turns to take a bag, not necessarily in any particular order, but in a kind of silent synchrony.  Though the conveyor belt determined the rhythm it was so different than the aseptic factory lines where people are chained to their spot on the assembly line and there is no possibility,for example to fill in for someone who stumbles. (I’m not saying it’s better because I don’t know enough about the context for the workers, just that it’s different and the difference speaks to deep cultural/economic/social realities.). The filmmamking style, with its long takes and wide compositions and slow, slow pans allow for this kind of deep observation of rhythms and patterns.

I’m sure many of us could relate to the sheer will and obsessiveness, to the point of absurdity, that it takes to do what we do.  The disjuncture, for many of us, between the obvious or attributed  “value” of our work and the effort, time and energy we put into it. 

 What I kept waiting for (and maybe this is the difference between irony and self-irony that Irina referred to) was for the artists to embrace the messiness they found, and find a way of incorporating the Nigerian sugar, this “inferior” production with all its “imperfections”, into their art, rather than insisting that it fit the European mold (literally). Rather than see it all as an impediment or a nuisance to their (admittedly absurdist) project.  Why go to Nigeria to work unless you want your work to be affected in some deep way by the experience?  Instead, there was a reproduction of rather classical colonialesque production relations, with Nigerian workers providing manual labor for a product which was completely alien to them (I wasn’t sure what the Nigerians could  “learn” from this process). 

Caitlin Manning
Sorry I don‘t remember the title of the film
I think people should sign their posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The film on sugar was very beautiful and fit well into the topic of migration (of goods and money): the representation of the global sugar traffic, the contrast between Europe and Nigeria. In the former: the huge precise machines, the gleaming, workerless factories, and the pristine, straight-edged sugar blocks, compared to the messiness, the disorder, the teeming vitality of the streets and the “imperfect” sugar blocks produced in Nigeria. To me the most stunning shot was the scene in the sugar packing factory where young men stacked bags of sugar as they came off a conveyor.  After a while, the “system” underlying the apparent chaos became apparent, with the men working as a group, taking turns to take a bag, not necessarily in any particular order, but in a kind of silent synchrony.  Though the conveyor belt determined the rhythm it was so different than the aseptic factory lines where people are chained to their spot on the assembly line and there is no possibility,for example to fill in for someone who stumbles. (I’m not saying it’s better because I don’t know enough about the context for the workers, just that it’s different and the difference speaks to deep cultural/economic/social realities.). The filmmamking style, with its long takes and wide compositions and slow, slow pans allow for this kind of deep observation of rhythms and patterns.</p>
<p>I’m sure many of us could relate to the sheer will and obsessiveness, to the point of absurdity, that it takes to do what we do.  The disjuncture, for many of us, between the obvious or attributed  “value” of our work and the effort, time and energy we put into it. </p>
<p> What I kept waiting for (and maybe this is the difference between irony and self-irony that Irina referred to) was for the artists to embrace the messiness they found, and find a way of incorporating the Nigerian sugar, this “inferior” production with all its “imperfections”, into their art, rather than insisting that it fit the European mold (literally). Rather than see it all as an impediment or a nuisance to their (admittedly absurdist) project.  Why go to Nigeria to work unless you want your work to be affected in some deep way by the experience?  Instead, there was a reproduction of rather classical colonialesque production relations, with Nigerian workers providing manual labor for a product which was completely alien to them (I wasn’t sure what the Nigerians could  “learn” from this process). </p>
<p>Caitlin Manning<br />
Sorry I don‘t remember the title of the film<br />
I think people should sign their posts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on the Flaherty Seminar by Laura Kissel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Kissel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested in how Bahmin Gobadhi has represented disability through the character of Mahdi in A Time for Drunken Horses and also how disability is used to serve the narrative.  I feel Mahdi&#039;s disability is sensationalized, that Gobadhi&#039;s use of this character manufactures pity, and causes the audience to have greater sympathy for this family&#039;s plight.  Mahdi is made to be sick in the narrative and is given a death sentence; we learn he will die anyway, even if he gets the operation in Iraq his doctor has deemed he needs.  At the same time, the character of Mahdi and the fact of his disability might be a metaphor for the Kurdish situation-- the Kurds are not &quot;whole&quot; or complete, something is missing, they are facing death.  Both of these uses of the image of a disabled body follow popular trends in the representation of disability (the &quot;pity&quot; narrative and the notion that disability = death).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in how Bahmin Gobadhi has represented disability through the character of Mahdi in A Time for Drunken Horses and also how disability is used to serve the narrative.  I feel Mahdi&#8217;s disability is sensationalized, that Gobadhi&#8217;s use of this character manufactures pity, and causes the audience to have greater sympathy for this family&#8217;s plight.  Mahdi is made to be sick in the narrative and is given a death sentence; we learn he will die anyway, even if he gets the operation in Iraq his doctor has deemed he needs.  At the same time, the character of Mahdi and the fact of his disability might be a metaphor for the Kurdish situation&#8211; the Kurds are not &#8220;whole&#8221; or complete, something is missing, they are facing death.  Both of these uses of the image of a disabled body follow popular trends in the representation of disability (the &#8220;pity&#8221; narrative and the notion that disability = death).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Question of the Day  &#8211; Wednesday by phonographfilms</title>
		<link>http://flaherty08.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/question-of-the-day-wednesday/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>phonographfilms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Chi-hui for Wednesday night&#039;s program. It encapsulated best the answer to this question for me.

All three works by Oliver, Alison and Lonnie/Siebren  were wonderful reminders that perhaps the most complex and important elements of migration is the migration of meaning and thought, its transformation.

Like the clever quote in &quot;Monument of Sugar,&quot; these films illustrated how objects and ideas (e.g. films/media) become &quot;things that interact with the world.&quot; I appreciated how all of these films highlighted the importance of transformative intent and the immense, positive impact and resistance to adversity that it can have, even on failure. It was truly inspirational.

I was also touched by the preoccupation of these works to go back to an origin and to own that origin in order to embrace transformation. This is also a concern at the heart of the migration experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Chi-hui for Wednesday night&#8217;s program. It encapsulated best the answer to this question for me.</p>
<p>All three works by Oliver, Alison and Lonnie/Siebren  were wonderful reminders that perhaps the most complex and important elements of migration is the migration of meaning and thought, its transformation.</p>
<p>Like the clever quote in &#8220;Monument of Sugar,&#8221; these films illustrated how objects and ideas (e.g. films/media) become &#8220;things that interact with the world.&#8221; I appreciated how all of these films highlighted the importance of transformative intent and the immense, positive impact and resistance to adversity that it can have, even on failure. It was truly inspirational.</p>
<p>I was also touched by the preoccupation of these works to go back to an origin and to own that origin in order to embrace transformation. This is also a concern at the heart of the migration experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Question of the Day &#8211; Sunday by Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came to this seminar to be inspired in my own work. Seeing Bahman Ghobadi speak via webcam was the most inspiring part of this seminar. Although I did enjoy his films, I was more impressed with his perseverance and struggle in following his passion in storytelling and filmmaking. His love for his community was also touching and seeing the thread that binds his people and their commitment to tell their own stories will inspire me to tell the stories that are important to me. Thank you Flaherty &amp; Chi-hui!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to this seminar to be inspired in my own work. Seeing Bahman Ghobadi speak via webcam was the most inspiring part of this seminar. Although I did enjoy his films, I was more impressed with his perseverance and struggle in following his passion in storytelling and filmmaking. His love for his community was also touching and seeing the thread that binds his people and their commitment to tell their own stories will inspire me to tell the stories that are important to me. Thank you Flaherty &amp; Chi-hui!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Question of the Day  &#8211; Wednesday by phonographfilms</title>
		<link>http://flaherty08.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/question-of-the-day-wednesday/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>phonographfilms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are certain scenes that I have seen this week, which will live with me for a long time as a beacon and reminder that the only way out of this cycle, if only temporary is kindness: 
-The six-year old sister blowing warm air on her crippled brother&#039;s hand in a snow storm. 
-The two native American women keeping each other company side by side on a bed as the day breaks.
-Renee&#039;s final musings on her identity politics while accepting that she wants to be like them. 

Wednesday night&#039;s program encapsulated best the answer to this question for me.
All three works by Oliver, Alison and Lonnie/Siebren  were wonderful reminders that perhaps the most complex and important elements of migration is the migration of meaning and thought, its transformation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certain scenes that I have seen this week, which will live with me for a long time as a beacon and reminder that the only way out of this cycle, if only temporary is kindness:<br />
-The six-year old sister blowing warm air on her crippled brother&#8217;s hand in a snow storm.<br />
-The two native American women keeping each other company side by side on a bed as the day breaks.<br />
-Renee&#8217;s final musings on her identity politics while accepting that she wants to be like them. </p>
<p>Wednesday night&#8217;s program encapsulated best the answer to this question for me.<br />
All three works by Oliver, Alison and Lonnie/Siebren  were wonderful reminders that perhaps the most complex and important elements of migration is the migration of meaning and thought, its transformation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Question of the Day  &#8211; Wednesday by phonographfilms</title>
		<link>http://flaherty08.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/question-of-the-day-wednesday/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>phonographfilms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A comment that was made this week, which has stuck with me: it was a general question about why we (human beings) are fascinated with conflict and fear.
It seems the main human tragedy is that we seem to be caught in a vicious cycle of running from our worse fear, to our first hope; a concept which is painfully exploited in Pedro Costa’s work with no apparent intent.

Immigration often comes out of conflict and most always causes conflict.
As a filmmaker, I am distraught by this fascination/need that we have to represent the conflict of others over our own, particularly because its depiction makes us feel safer and better about our own personal conflicts. Yes, this fascination sometimes exists alongside other more noble reasons, perhaps, such as awareness and a need to eradicate it, but the underlying reason seems to me a very personal one always. A constant need to contextualize our experience and to console ourselves in the presence of situations outside our control drives this fascination. I find this a tragegy. It proposes that this vicious cycle cannot be broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment that was made this week, which has stuck with me: it was a general question about why we (human beings) are fascinated with conflict and fear.<br />
It seems the main human tragedy is that we seem to be caught in a vicious cycle of running from our worse fear, to our first hope; a concept which is painfully exploited in Pedro Costa’s work with no apparent intent.</p>
<p>Immigration often comes out of conflict and most always causes conflict.<br />
As a filmmaker, I am distraught by this fascination/need that we have to represent the conflict of others over our own, particularly because its depiction makes us feel safer and better about our own personal conflicts. Yes, this fascination sometimes exists alongside other more noble reasons, perhaps, such as awareness and a need to eradicate it, but the underlying reason seems to me a very personal one always. A constant need to contextualize our experience and to console ourselves in the presence of situations outside our control drives this fascination. I find this a tragegy. It proposes that this vicious cycle cannot be broken.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on the Flaherty Seminar by Ingrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have really started to notice how many preconceptions I bring to films I watch over the past few days here. The Flaherty magic has been working on me despite myself, even when I have occasionally felt frustrated by some films or some discussions. I can feel myself loosening my grip on any rigid expectations - no longer seeing films I find difficult as pizza with the wrong kind of topping on them, as Laura Waddington put it.
It&#039;s very exciting to feel this shift happen and I&#039;m looking forward to seeing how this changes the work I do in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have really started to notice how many preconceptions I bring to films I watch over the past few days here. The Flaherty magic has been working on me despite myself, even when I have occasionally felt frustrated by some films or some discussions. I can feel myself loosening my grip on any rigid expectations &#8211; no longer seeing films I find difficult as pizza with the wrong kind of topping on them, as Laura Waddington put it.<br />
It&#8217;s very exciting to feel this shift happen and I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing how this changes the work I do in the future.</p>
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